Duolingo vs Rosetta Stone: A Totally Ridiculous Comparison

Duolingo vs Rosetta Stone: A Totally Ridiculous Comparison

Duolingo and Rosetta Stone are often compared side-by-side as language learning platforms and course options.

Is Duolingo better than Rosetta Stone? (or vice-versa?)

I was honestly inclined not to write this post today (because it really is like comparing apples to oranges!) but since so many people ask about it, I thought I’d take some time to put the matter to rest.

While I’ve written at length in the past about Rosetta Stone’s method, I’ve actually said little about Duolingo (keep reading and I’ll explain why).

Both platforms have had huge success in their own ways and many imitator products have spawned off them over the last few years.

First of all, let me summarize how they differ (based on their own claims):

  • Rosetta Stone aims to be a full immersion experience, where all skills are trained through listening and image-matching exercises, and their advanced TruAccent™ speech-recognition technology.
  • Duolingo is a thematic and grammar-intensive learning path where you’re taken through a gamified progression primarily made up of fill-in-the-blank exercises.

I don’t represent or earn from either of these companies.

Both of them have strengths and weaknesses in different areas but I definitely have a personal preference between the two which I’ll explain in a moment.

Duolingo vs Rosetta Stone

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RS and Duolingo: Buying a product vs BEING the product

My assumption is that anyone looking for a comparison between Duolingo and Rosetta Stone are doing so for one main reason:

Duolingo is free.

RS is expensive.

So if Duolingo produces better results then why not take a completely free product over something you need to pay for, right? Makes sense?

I’m going to say something really unpopular and fairly controversial here (that you probably weren’t aware of).

With Duolingo, YOU are the product.

By using their “free” software and doing their fill-in-the-blank exercises, you are actually submitting translations that are then sold to major corporations.

In fact, the guy behind Duolingo (Luis Von Ahn) previously worked on Re-CAPTCHA.

You know that annoying image pop-up on registration/login forms that gives you an image of a sign and asks you to verify by typing in what it says? That answer you type in actually gets sold – you’re basically translating something for them for free.

So this same principle is used on Duolingo.

What appears to be a completely free web app for learning languages is really just a front for crowd-sourced translation (why pay a translation company when they can just get ignorant consumers to do it for them?).

Nothing is ever free.

Rosetta Stone on the other hand is obviously a paid product.

When I initially reviewed RS years ago, I talked about its grotesque price tag and it really was notorious for being expensive. You’d pay several hundred dollars to buy a boxed package.

Thing have completely changed over the past 2 – 3 years.

With the massive rising popularity of subscription-based course platforms, RS was basically forced to change their pricing structure and offer an online subscription service (SaaS) at a fraction of the original cost.

Now, you might not consider Duolingo’s business model to be unethical or problematic in any way. That’s fine.

After all, they’re offering you a service (learn languages) in exchange for your service (translation).

But for someone like me, I would rather pay directly and knowingly for a service that is built solely for the purpose of teaching languages, rather than a company that’s taking my work and selling it to God-knows-who for God-knows-how-much.

It’d be like a teacher taking a student’s finished exam and selling the student’s exam answers to a third party without the knowledge of the student.


UPDATE: They recently introduced a Duolingo Plus option for about $7 a month that removes ads and allows for offline learning, but it seems you’re still giving them your translations which they’ll sell and profit on.

I’ve seen some reports around that Duolingo moved away from their crowd-sourced translation model (meaning they’d rely mostly on volunteers and donations) but nothing solid to confirm that yet.


Duolingo and the infantilization of language education

I recently wrote an article about the notable trend of infantilization in language app UI’s.

In fact, it’s not just language apps but a general “dumbing down” of education and attention spans everywhere.

Compare course content and delivery from 10 years ago to the products being sold today and you’ll notice something striking – consumers in 2019 are treated more and more like adult children.

Language apps cater for these poor attention spans.

Duolingo has a UI that looks like a child’s toy with cartoon awards, noises and it is completely non-intimidating by design.

The entire course experience is based on giving the user a false sense of progression as they click through to win their achievements and keep up learning streaks.

One of the criticisms of Rosetta Stone on the other hand that you hear quite often is that it’s “not fun”.

But I wonder if that means that RS is legitimately challenging as an adult learning platform that doesn’t treat its customer base like children?

Comparing the Duolingo and RS language teaching methods

Nearly every majorly critical review of Rosetta Stone comes back to one thing:

“How am I supposed to know what they’re saying if I don’t know the grammar?”

Criticism is almost entirely due to impatience.

The point I’ve made repeatedly in the past is that the RS method is actually enormously effective IF you allow it to be. While I don’t believe you can mimic a true immersion experience with a piece of software, I still think RS does a pretty decent job of leading you through a quasi-natural process of exposure and intuition-based learning.

No explicit grammar instruction is a huge plus too (you don’t need to study grammar to learn to speak a foreign language).

Your comprehension builds over time but it takes actual work on your part to let that happen.

I mentioned in my review that the first time you encounter various scenarios in the software, you’ll be completely confused and not understand a thing. That’s intentional.

But through repetition and actually using your intuition as you would in real life, you start connecting the dots.

The problem is: we live in a Google culture where we expect immediate answers to all our questions.

Language learning can never be rushed like this.

This is where I think Duolingo earns more praise in the short-term from its users – you can rush through the entire course and never learn anything.

There’s a quick gratification that comes from hearing the reward notifications: “BAM BAM BAAAAAAM”

“Yay! I’m learning this language!”

No, you’re not.

Duolingo wants you to feel gratified so you continue coming back for your streaks and giving them translation material to sell to third parties.

Follow the /r/languagelearning sub on Reddit and see how many times people have asked questions like:

“I finished a Duolingo course. Now what do I do?”

You get to the end of your fill-in-the-blank progression and find that you’ve in fact learned very little and run out of direction.

Culturally inappropriate content (Rosetta Stone) vs bizarre dialogue translations (Duolingo)

One of the other chief complaints made about RS (and I talked about it at length in my review) is that it’s culturally inappropriate.

Some languages are worse than others in this regard.

What you’ll see throughout RS is that it takes images from an American context and applies them to a completely foreign scenario and language.

For example, two Anglo-Americans shopping with Korean dialogues.

As I’ve said previously, this is not a major problem as it doesn’t necessarily change the meaning the conversation (two females are two females regardless of what context they’re in or their race).

However, in the case of the Korean edition for example, you also get situations where an old person is talking to a young person and using overly polite language that would never exist in the real world.

It’d be like an old man calling a teenager “sir”.

Duolingo doesn’t do this necessarily but its main problem (and something it’s routinely mocked for!) is that it uses absolutely bizarre sentence examples.

Just go on Google and search for: weird duolingo sentences

“Our cats are reading newspapers.”

“Why won’t my feet listen to me?”

“The dog and the cat converse in Korean.”

“She received a wish for each nut.”

These are the kinds of pointless absurdities that Duolingo will have you translate.

While it can still be said that you’re learning vocab and grammar by translating this, dialogues like this have zero practical usage in the real world.

No online language learning course is a substitute for real-world interaction

If you’re looking for a one-stop solution to your language learning goals then you’re going to be very disappointed no what matter product you choose to use.

Language courses and books are only supplements.

The real classroom is outside where you interact with other human beings and learn through constant mistakes.

I’ve talked about how social risk-takers are always the best language learners – they learn languages better than anyone else because they’re out with people and not afraid to embarrass themselves.

Of course, you can’t always have these physical opportunities depending on where you live but platforms like italki have certainly made this easier.

The important point I want to highlight here is that whether you’re using Duolingo or Rosetta Stone or something else entirely, you should not be relying on the tool alone to get you to where you want to be.

I see this a lot on our Arabic site where people will often come and ask:

“What level will this get me to?”

It’s impossible to answer because it always depends on the learner’s own determination and practice with other people.

Stop trying to compare two vastly different language learning platforms

Duolingo and RS are not even remotely similar.

As I said above, I don’t know why people frequently ask for a comparison of the two other than prospective RS customers looking for a cheaper/free alternative in Duolingo.

Apples and oranges! 🙂

On an ethical level, I can’t stand the thought of providing free translations to a company that will go on to sell them to a major corporation. I feel the same way about Re-CAPTCHA and hate having to use it to log in to a service online.

If I can’t be part of the transaction process, I’m just not comfortable with it at all (this coming from a guy who is paranoid about Internet privacy).

That aside, I also just find Duolingo’s childish gamification to be indicative of a massive downward trend in education quality. It’s not just the way companies are treating consumers – sadly it’s what consumers want.

RS, for all its faults and cost, still provides one of the only truly unique language methodologies on the market.

It’s also one of the few methodologies that correctly stays away from explicit grammar instruction in favor of a more intuition-based teaching style.


For a far more detailed explanation of Rosetta Stone (including criticisms of its method), see my review of it here.

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Micah Burns

Thanks for the post! I would disagree with you on one key point though. I really think grammar and translation can be helpful for beginner adults when trying to learn another language.

For instance, think of the irony in naming a language program with little to no grammar or translation Rosetta Stone. The whole value of the original Rosetta Stone was that it contained a translation of a language which was hard to comprehend, using a language which the learners already knew. It finally made the foreign language comprehensible. It did not cause the learners to acquire the language, but it did finally allowed them to start receiving it. This is where you will be after finishing a Duolingo tree. You will be ready to start reading books, watching movies, and listening to songs in the language you studied. And, yes, you will be in a better position to start speaking as well. Just my two cents.

Isabella Cates

I really appreciate this comparison and review!

I didn't know about duolingo's business model, but it helps me understand why I never liked using it.

I think the intent when building the product (for duolingo, as you described here, getting tons of language translation data) ends up baked into the core of the product, and it can never really be great for anything else.

In this case, it seems to me duolingo just has a thin veneer of actually teaching to learn. How, then, could someone expect to really learn much from it? With duolingo, it's likely that someone who starts off motivated will end up feeling like a failure. Even though it's the product's fault, not the student's.

The gamification aspect really turns me off as well. (Thank goodness, I don't really enjoy electronic games or become addicted to them.)

Mathew

I get your point about learning grammar by intuition and eventually piecing it all together. However, even native speakers learn grammar in primary school. At least, we here in the US do. Is there a way to not only get the immersive aspect of Rosetta Stone/real-world interaction and some basic grammar instruction for a more robust solution?

Ralph

Hi, thank you for taking your time to write the post. I used Duolingo a lot for almost a year and I finished a few courses. I did learn a lot. So, I cannot agree with your observations. Now I am going to use Rosetta S. this is why I found your article. Duolingo vs Rosetta Stone can certainly be compared. Apple and oranges have much in common. Wishing you all the best.

Mario

I've been taking Rosetta courses, different languages. What I have seen is that they use in some situations, almost same images for all languages. They start teaching some words like "woman", "man", "child" (boy and girl depending on the genre, depending on the particular language) and I saw the same boy and the same girl in all languages.

However, I saw arabic dresses, hindi dresses, occidental dresses in order to encompass all cultural differences. I don't see anything wrong on it. On the contrary, as I attend more than one language, it helps me to identify a relational meaning in different languages thanks to a same photo.

In the Japanese course, yes, there are like Japanese cultural photos to graphic a breakfast (food of the morning) and other meals.

To see an angloamerican person talking korean, well, it's just to make the attendant of the course (who might be a foreigner) to feel identified as a tourist speaking a foreign language.

I think that beyond the interfaces or cultural proposals, the most important thing is the utility we can get from the method. If we really want to learn, at a basic level no problem, there are no cultural barriers. It's my opinion.

Chris

Does anyone besides the OP care about duolingo selling your input?

Gerben Bladgroen

I couldn't care less! I really don't care, its a smart business model :) I help them translate that the cats drink milk in portuguees (A gato bebe leite), who cares?!. I want my cat milk translation money how horrible XD

Zach

I absolutely do not. Nor would I care if someone took my exam answers and sold those. I'm searching for an explanation for which course is more efficient in teaching language, not an ethics lecture. Oh no, they sold a translation of me asking where the bathroom is in Spanish. How terrible. Everything is ruined.

Madeleine Dacey

On some level it bothers me that they do not make this explicit and that they make you watch a lot of ads (unless you pay for premium), but I would rather give my translations in exchange for the service than have to pay for it. Seems like a mutually beneficial exchange, at the end of the day.

That said, I used the two week free premium trial, cancelled it, and then they gave me another free premium trial. I'm hoping this works a third time.

Kaye

I used DuoLingo for a year after not taking any Spanish classes since sixth grade. I stopped liking it after the switch to their current “crown” system, but I was a broke cashier, so paying to learn anything was out of the question at the time. I recently picked it up again, only to learn not only do I still dislike it, but it puts me to sleep! DuoLingo is nothing more than a kiddie game to me. I’m positive my “Spanish for Dummies” book teaches me more. It’s cute and I like cute, but cute doesn’t teach me anything.

I was always curious about Rosetta Stone, but avoided it because of the price. This year, I gave in because of a sale they had. $200 for a lifetime subscription of every language they offer. I figured if I really hate it, I could return it, and I have the money to spare, so I’ll try it. I learned more from RS in a week than from Duo in a year. Take that for what you will.

DuoLingo lets you start only as a beginner. A year’s worth of progress, and it’s only now trying to teach me numbers 1 - 10 (which I learned in second grade!). No wonder it was putting me to sleep. I find RS more challenging, especially (as much as I hate it!) because it has frequent speaking lessons. Duo has made me hate flashcards.

Only thing RS can’t help me with is speaking with other people, but that’s inherent shyness. No program can help me with that.

Kaye

I was mistaken about Duo only letting you start at beginner. Oops! I don’t remember the option for a placement test when I first signed up.

Also, RS has no reward system. You don’t get points or treats for finishing a lesson. You get to see the progress bar fill, but that’s it. And I think I prefer that.

Lucas

I use both Duolingo and Rosetta Stone; I write down the words I learn from Duolingo in a notebook, and write my own sentences; I also do the same for Rosetta Stone. But it does seem as if Rosetta Stone is not as "fun" or simply boring compared to Duolingo. Either way I learn and implement flash cards and repetitive writing.

I enjoyed your article.
Thank your for writing.

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